Talk:Spider (solitaire)

Removed

Things might have been different when it was posted years ago, but now we have two relevant policies: WP:FORUM and WP:GAMEGUIDE. Wikipedia is a place for neither. I have removed this post, as it was a violation of both. Zeke, the Mad Horrorist ^{(Speak quickly)} _{(Follow my trail)} 21:15, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

EDIT: I also removed the thread that came after this one, as it was definitely a WP:FORUM violation that added nothing to the article. Zeke, the Mad Horrorist ^{(Speak quickly)} _{(Follow my trail)} 21:17, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

TOP SCORE

Don't ask me how, but I just made 1363 points in 137 moves. Ironically it took me more than usual to solve it, I also use Ctrl+Z. So the limit is not 1300 as the article say. http://imgur.com/AgDxz.png

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.136.162.129 (talk) 21:29, 30 March 2011 (UTC) 

24/8/2022 Have just played and got a score of 1371. Don't know how but have been playing for years. Previous best was 1287. 80.0.116.235 (talk) 14:36, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

I modified the theoretical high score to be 1256 based on the game setup and scoring formulae reported in the article which I confirmed by game play. A total of 800 points are added to the initial 500 for a complete game. Not fewer than 44 moves are required to complete a game because, at the start, there are 44 cards to turn over and one move is required to turn over each. The question is then whether it is possible to construct a game that can be completed within 44 moves. Since the Windows version does not require that moves be exhausted or even that a move be made between the seven hands of the game, it seems obvious that there are multiple deals that could result in only 44 moves. Whether that is true or not, 1256 is a better value than 1300 since it reflects a known lower limit to the number of moves.--WikeJEC (talk) 18:02, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

There's a known bug in which the user sometimes gets 100 points for clearing a suit, then uses undo and does not lose the 100 points... thereby giving the user the ability to get an "impossible" score. This version has a simple scoring formula: if it took you 137 moves and you won the game, then your score was 1163. (FWIW, I don't think there's a citation needed for the 1256 perfect score... the math involved is pretty straight forward.)98.71.104.64 (talk) 06:39, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

I've played the Windows version 6 of Spider Solitaire recently after reading this.

Although I am no expert - most often my score hovered around 1200 - I scored 1289 even though I made a few imperfect moves and, more importantly, did not use the undo function at all. I'm baffled at that score because the math used above is basic. I wonder: was 186.136.162.129 who had the score of 1363 playing a different version, or is there another "undocumented feature" besides the one 98.71.104.64 described?

The article mentioned "a theoretical maximum of 1254 points" together with "A bonus of 100 points is gained for completing 4 sets of the same colour", which are both misleading; I've never seen that particular bonus in any of the games I've played, so I removed that part.Twistlethrop (talk) 07:24, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

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Can anybody suggest why the theoretical maximum score for the Windows version was changed from 1256 (as above) to the (apparently) unjustified value of 1280 (by anonymous user 112.141.133.11 at 09:58 on 9 December 2018) ? Each of the 44 face-down cards MUST be turned, either by moving the card on top of it or by getting a completed suit removed from just on top of it. To me this means an absolute minimum of 44-7 = 37 moves, which (if feasible) would lead to a score of 1263. Heraldica (talk) 12:58, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

I found an argument that seems to work by dtilque on the Straight Dope forums which gives a minimum of 46 moves - every card that starts on the tableau that is not a king must be moved at least once, since it must finish in a pile that has a king. I've adjusted the article accordingly. Arcorann (talk) 05:39, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Layout wrong?

Am I missing something here? For Spider Layout it says "The Tableau consists of 10 stacks with 6 cards in each stack with the 6th card face up."

But it's only the first 4 stacks that are 6 cards, the remaining stacks are 5 cards?Aluminium Colours (talk) 22:56, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

Wanky dates

The article states that the game originates in 1947 and it also states at the same time that it was FDR's favorite solitaire game. FDR, as we know, died in 1945. How can a game be someone's favorite if the game is invented only after this person's death? 2001:14BA:9F01:EA0C:0:0:0:1 (talk) 23:52, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

You beat me to it--I just noticed that and was going to post a version of what you just posted. I'll try seeing which is correct. Alden Loveshade (talk) 00:18, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

See Dead President Plays Games immediately below. Alden Loveshade (talk) 00:36, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

Dead President Plays Games

The linked source says Spider (solitaire) was invented in 1949, and that it was a favorite of Franklin Delano Roosevelt. However amazing people might think FDR was, I find it hard to believe he played a game invented after he was dead. (If somebody has a reliable source that clears up this contradiction, feel free to fix it.)

As I found the online source which said it was invented in 1949 (the article previously had the date as 1947 which conflicts with the source as it is currently), I removed the following (you can see the full editing in the source editing):

Its potential for deep analysis make it one of the best of all solitaires, and it was said to be a favourite of President Franklin D. Roosevelt.

Alden Loveshade (talk) 00:36, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

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